Canadian late-night TV host, producer, husband of Suzanne Somers and her career guru, Hamel has been there and done that and has great stories, he holds back nothing!
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-the-bob-lefsetz-podcast-30806836/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alan-hamel/id1316200737?i=1000456796726
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3FS4Te9FM14M9KK1MHMsSz
https://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=65274174